Sadness over Finding Old Photos & Documents

Hello Everyone,

Well I believe I now have 2 storage tubs and one book shelf full of old photos and albums. Not to mention a small collection of 8 and 16mm old home movies. Just found 3 home movies on the wknd, I havent tried to operate the 8mm projector I have yet, Im more familiar with using a 16mm and like using that size of film, so hopefully Ill catch on just as easily with the 8mm.

I know we are all out to make $$ and resell items, many of us, Im a thrift shopper, yard saler, picker, you name it! But there is just something sacred to me about old documents. And I mean the following..

Old Photographs

Old Home Movies

Old Historical Paper Documents(birth certs, marriage certs, house deeds, old family bibles and books, any documentation pertaining to family, etc)

I went to an Estate Sale a few weeks ago. I only planned on going to the post office, grrr and there was a sign, it was close to my home so I swerved off to go looking.

I will eventually have a blog on my finds there, and more of the story, but basically an estate sale company was selling off the contents of the home. And there lying about were family bibles, books, and old photographs, priced piece by piece and scattered about.

To make it more painful for me… these once belonged to a person, a person who took time to document, to put notes with the very items up for sale. Id find a few of the notes slipped out by onlookers and misplaced or on the floor.

They were also not as affordable as Id like. But they were heart wrenching, and all had writing on the backs. So basically I bought to me which were the best ones. Less than 5 and went home, I did call my mom because it turned out the family names on these photos were the same as both my parents last names and from the same state. But it didnt turn out to be from our families. My mom got to work on research and she and I spoke, she found a neat story about this child and the indians… and after I read it, things at the house made sense. I had to go back the next day… Everything was still there and half off, but still not cheap. But this time I went into the persons office, I didnt dig much before other then through the vintage clothing.

I picked out his personal family files, and newspaper clippings, I bought them all, along with the rest of the photos I left behind, and I bought his Sons of the American Revolution Coat out of the closet. This man and his family took detailed steps to document there history. There were so many things I could not afford to buy, personal effects, that were documented. But what I want to say is this… I really wonder at the end of the day what happened to the rest? Did it get tossed or donated and shuffled into boxes? Forever losing the context of where they all fit together into this historical puzzle?  I would plead with anyone who is a dealer, to stop piecing out collections and photo albums. If anything, put it ALL together in one big box and sell it as a grouping. I tried to do this but they didnt understand it and of course were not willing to bundle for a deal.

Here is an idea of what I left with, there are a lot more papers and clippings but they are folded up underneath the papers here and in a pile, and inside some of the books are more papers and newspaper clippings.

EstateSaleAz

Dont pull old photo albums apart and sell the photos one by one, sell them as a whole, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and if you have any old paperwork, attach it inside with a ziplock baggie.

And its just so sad because this person spent there life preserving and doing history and generations before them also, and I am sure there are other living relatives who had no clue about what happened to this stuff…

For those of us with a love of old photos and epherma, heck dont toss it, give it to us!

My girlfriend sent me this movie trailer, for those of us who love Old Photographs and sometimes some of the unusual stories of what happens to our things when we leave this earth, here is a fascinating documentary soon to be out. I cant wait to see it! “Finding Vivian Maier” Ive attached the trailer below.

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Staley – Indiana

I believe I found these Cabinet Cards in a Phoenix, Az antique shop

1. Great Grandmother Staley in Terra Haute, Indiana

2. Grandfather Staley’s brother Manuel and his wife (no state listed)


3. Grandmother Staley in  Vicennes, Indiana

4. Jessie and Ethel Staley – Terra Haute, Indiana (these are small children)

On the back of one photo it looks addressed to send to

(hard to read what first letters say) Dr. S B Staley, Bricknell, Indiana  (hard to read what first letters say)
When searching the net there is a Free Ebook that contains the Staley family, seems to be the right area and there is a mention of Mr. Staley and one of his son’s being named Manuel. You can read the full story here…

http://books.google.com/books?id=G0PWAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA291&lpg=PA291&dq=Bicknell+Indiana+%22Dr.+Staley%22&source=bl&ots=pY75B4tKZ8&sig=4-K_wXYkX_VKNujObzHFTor40Ao&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Xl3zT4zZBrS_2QWIhvzTAw&ved=0CEUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Bicknell%20Indiana%20%22Dr.%20Staley%22&f=false

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Spencer Farmhouse – Waupaca, Wisconsin Pictures

Various photos out of Waupaca, Wisconsin

First photo reads on back “Ethelyn Spencer” My mothers sisters daughter

In the 1910 Census there is a Fred and Edith Spencer in Waupaca, Wisconsin with a daughter Ethelyn M. Spencer who was age 22 at the time.

I do not know if this one is related to the same Spencer family but contains the same last name in this large batch of photos.

First one reads “South side Spencer Farmhouse, Waupaca, Wisconsin 8/16/1918″

Second reads “North Side of Spencer Home, Waupaca, Wisconsin, Aug 5, 1918 at 4pm”

This photo reads on the back “Elizabeth Roberts, Major Roberts daughter, one of my chums” Waupaca, Wisconsin.

From Census Records there was a Elizabeth S. Roberts born in 1885, in 1900 census in Waupaca, Wisconsin. Parents Robert and Amy Roberts. I also did some research to see if there was any Major Roberts in Wisconsin. Do find mentions on google of a Major Robert N. Roberts, Thirty-eighth Wisconsin Infantry 1865.

From this site http://www.civilwar.com/components/index.php?option=com_officialrecord&series=Series%20I&volume=&part=&page=1046

Another Cabinet Card Photo labeled Waupaca, Wisconsin

There are names written in pencil faint at the bottom, it looks like “Aggie and Mamie Holmes”

Miss Bissie or Bessie Taylor

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Simpson College Students – Indianola, Iowa

I wanted to start this blog out to say that some more photos have been reunited with family. This is the third so far that has gone home to a relative since I started this blog.

Please read here to see the message sent from the relative..

https://savethephotos.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/ignac-kubala-yoakum-texas/

Now onto todays blog and photo.

Visited Sweet Salvage in Downtown Phoenix, Az for their Dec sale. Found 2 old photos there that I came home with.

This one is mounted on a thick piece of backing, glued all around it are various college names. The backside has names written, Im assuming graduation year are the dates next to each person.

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So this made it hard as no one city/state is named in all of the little names glued all over, so I began to google the names on the back one by one, chosing those with middle initials as to narrow it down faster if possible. As a result I found the website for SIMPSON COLLEGE in Iowa.

From wikipedia ” founded in 1860 named and based on the beliefs of Methodist Minister Matthew Simpson. Simpson is best know as the minister who spoke the last words at Abraham Lincoln’s grave in Springflied, Illionois. His beliefs are passed onto the students and professors of Simpson.”

On the site is a list of students each year from 1870-1930. You have to love the internet! All of us out in the world inputing our memories, information, photos and all for others to share. So many of the names written down on the backside appear on this website and I had a perfect match.(the ones listed for the years 1908 and 1909 do not match up on the website)

http://iagenweb.org/warren/schools/simpsoncollege.html

I assumed this might be a Fraternity Photo, You have different year students listed. At the top of the writing on the back it does say “KOY 1904-05″ .  After reading more on wikipedia I found this on the KOY Fraternity -

“Kappa Theta Psi (KOY) is the oldest local fraternity west of the Mississippi.It was founded in 1902….After the quest for a national re-charter from SAE failed, KOY existed for many years as only a local fraternity. After the chapter was nationally chartered in 1969 as an Upsilon Delta chapter and subsequently was shut down by nationals and by Simpson college, KOY returned to campus in 1979….”

The following names are listed on the back of the photo.

Bruce Bartholomew 05

Roy Worth 06

John Horsley 08

Earl M. Hale 07

Earnest A. Rea 05

Leonard McMahan 05

Duane D. Sawson 09

Worth McClure 07

Fred Melick 07

Roy L. Robbins 09

Whitford H. Shelton 05

Paul A. White 07

Harvey H. Lisle 07

Tom Rogers 08

Ray Truscott 05

Milo Latimer 08

Another note about this college.

George Washington Carver was a former student :)

“During 1890 to 1891, Simpson College, located in Indianola, Iowa was endowed by Matt Simpson, a friend of Abraham Lincoln and an advocate of equal rights for all men. Carver, therefore, was accepted and allowed to attend Simpson College where he completed one year. Carver was one of the first African American students to attend Simpson College.”

http://www.blackiowa.org/exhibits/virtual-tour/george-washington-carver/3/

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Frank Lloyd Wright – David and Glady’s Wright Home – Arizona

Having lived in California’s Antelope Valley all my life, Im amazed at all the architecture in Phoenix, Az. I see different articles on how people dont want to preserve enough here. Frankly when I drive around Im amazed at how much is intact and left alone. Seeing as my hometown has so very little preservation efforts and very little history preserved. So driving around out here is a feast for the eyes for me! Im always telling my hubby to slow down as I want to lookie loo at everything.

One day I found an article online with Unknown Bizarre Structures in the area. One was the L. Ron Hubbard House, another was the David and Glady’s Wright Home.

Here is the home as it was featured in Life Magazine.

Vintage Photo by J.R.Eyerman ©Life Magazine

Vintage Photo by J.R.Eyerman ©Life Magazine

Found this one, not sure where it originated from, but thought it was great as I overheard one of the volunteers saying they used to park their cars underneath(now it seems overgrown with plants.)

Im not sure what year the Life Magazine issue was but Im going to guess in the 1950s.

Recently  Facebook  Az Historical groups had put posts up on the David And Glady’s Home, how the investors who bought the home planned to demolish to build new homes on the land. So I read every article I could find on the place and signed the petition to help save it.

As of this past weekend, they opened up the grounds to the public on Sat and Sunday from 8am – Noon. Granted we did not have access to the second story, main house due to safety concerns. But they allowed us to walk the grounds, see inside the laundry room/freezer room, and a bathroom by the pool. Plus the Guest house/ Office off to the side. Other then that we were free to roam, free to snap pics till our hearts content. It was a great organized efforts with volunteers watching sections, welcoming us in, telling us info about the house, and supplying free water also.  Plus people outside with clip boards to sign the petition to the save the house.

I have seen many photos of it online, mainly the living room with the colorful rug is what stuck in my memory. No such luck seeing in that room and then I found out today the rug was auctioned off. <Sigh>

Here we have a photo of David and Gladys. I dont know what year these were taken.

Photo Courtesty of Time Life Inc. For Personal Non Commercial Usage only
Photo Courtesty of Time Life Inc. For Personal Non Commercial Usage only

Some history on the home.

Designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, built in 1951. 3 bedroom, 2.5 bath with a separate guest house/office.

Its circular design and spiral ramps are repeated in the Guggenheim Museum.

Phillippine Mahogany Cielings. The house was built with curved concrete block.

Had a custom Frank Lloyd area rug(sigh it was sold at auction in 2010) Found this link with info about the auction house receiving the rug.

http://www.prairiemod.com/features/2010/03/connect-lama-on-the-wright-rug.html

Photo of the rug when it was in the house.

David and Glady’s Wright (and their son, who died at age 49) were the only residents of the home. and occupied it until Davids death in 1997 at age 102 and Gladys in 2008 at age 104. The house was sold by the Wright heirs in 2009. Then again to the current owners in June 2012.

Found this photo which Im gathering was probably a sales listing photo as its more recent looking and everything is so neat and manicured. Its a lot more overgrown and unkept now.

So from what I have pieced together on my own from all the stories on the internet, is that the heirs sold the home to a buyer and were reassured it was going to be a residence, then those people ended up selling the home to some investors who had plans to demolish the place, and instead build 2 homes on the property. Its in a very nice area with pricey homes, and the Frank Lloyd Wright home is on a large piece of property. Once word got out it was going to be demolished it took off like wildfire on the internet, news, Frank Lloyd Wright fans, etc. Petitions went up to sign, which you can still sign by going to this link….

http://www.savewright.org/index.php?story_id=83&t=news_focus

So now efforts to get it a protected historical designation are underway… I know the investors have put it up for sale hoping someone else will want to buy it but last I heard no takers with the price tag listed. Also some have suggested moving it, but due to it being made of concrete, its not a regular place you can dissassemble. It would ruin it, and if it was moved as a whole, it would do damage to the roads and trees/plants in the area. And I cannot even imagine what great effort that will take!

I read some posts on facebook and mentioned to my husband on Saturday that the house was open for one more day, from 8am to noon, and this may be the last chance to see it, depending on what happens, they were welcoming the public to come and to take photos. So we headed over. Cars were parked up and down the streets, people walking, you knew where to find it! Someone drove up in their Old Classic Car.

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So many people coming out to take a look, of course dissapointed we couldnt go into the main house, as there was yellow tape everywhere telling you caution, low cielings, pointing edges, stairways, etc. But it was still nice to venture around, take a look at the place, and actually just SEE IT.

So here are my photos from our day at the Wright House.

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Guest House/Office Photos. We were told David Wright used this place as an office. There were lots of details and things to see but hard to photograph with a lot of people around and sometimes angles were difficult. Click on Thumbnails for larger images.

1. Kitchen Cabinets, Stove, Fridge, Sink, we were told these were never used and are still brand new.

2. Bathroom Sink

3. Original Light to the Wright Family, that strange white round one.

4. Original Desk that lines the window

All thumbnail Photos were taken by Savethephotos

So we shall wait and see and follow the news to see what else happens with this house. From articles I read online, they said if this house is torn down, it will be the first Frank Lloyd Wright home to be torn down in 40 years.

Found a Youtube video of the house and the inside…

Edit: October 2, 2012

New York Times article on the house and facing possible demolition as early as thursday.  A snippet reads “It may be that the demolition threat is being used as leverage to drive up the price to be paid by preservationists. Having just bought the house for $1.8 million, Mr. Hoffman said 8081 Meridian is looking to clear $2.2 million from any sale, and has so far rejected a cash offer floated several weeks ago from an anonymous, out-of-state Wright lover. This prospective buyer promised a little over $2 million, according to the realtor representing him.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/03/arts/design/frank-lloyd-wright-house-in-phoenix-faces-bulldozers.html

October 3, 2012. Az Central

Owners of an iconic east Phoenix house designed by famed architect Frank Lloyd Wright are threatening to sue the city, claiming its effort to designate the property as historic is illegal.

“Because the owners did not consent, it is illegal,” Kramer said during Tuesday’s committee meeting. “Don’t send this to City Council. Because if you do, you’re going to get sued and we’re going to win, and the house is going to come down anyway.”

Read the full article: http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/2012/10/03/20121003historic-wright-home-owners-shock-meeting-lawsuit-threat.html#comments#ixzz28LGEkKu8

Edit OCT. 31 THE HOME HAS A BUYER!

An anonymous buyer has purchased a Phoenix home designed by Frank Lloyd Wright with the aim of preserving an architectural gem that, until last week, was threatened with demolition.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/20121031frank-lloyd-wrightdesigned-home-sold.html

My hubby has an App on his Android Phone called Photaf, and he took a really cool Panorama Shot of the place. Had to save this great shot for last.

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McCollum Family – Tenn

These were purchased July 2012 in an Antique Shop in Phoenix, Az. This store has oodles of photos and postcards all over the place at reasonable prices. So my guess is many more of the photos went to this same family but I grabbed a couple with the best writing on the back to identify them. Meet the McCollum Family.

Backside reads

Ike McCollum

Nanie McCollum

Left to Right

Edgar, Bertha, Flossie, Anie, Emmie,

In front of Ike on Nanies Lap Aultie

Single Photos

1. Ike says on back “Mrs. Onie Mullins Grandfather”

2. John McCollum brother of Isaac McCollum , photo is out of Texas

Marriage records search turns up

September 16, 1889 Isaac S. McCollum married Nancy “Nannie” McCartney in Gibson County, Tenn

Also have this info from another site

After Mary came Nancy Caroline (Nan) McCartney.  Nan was born on December 7, 1873, in Gibson County, Tennessee.  Isaac C. McCollum began courting Nan and the two purchased a marriage license on September 16, 1889, from the Courthouse at Trenton, Tennessee.  The two were married on September 17, 1889 by J. W. Crowford, Minister of the Gospel.  Nan and Ike’s children were: Bertha Etta McCollum, Edgar Luther McCollum, Onie Bell McCollum, Altie Leona McCollum, Flossie Lillian McCollum, Emmie Irene McCollum, and Lona Mae McCollum.

from

http://tn-roots.com/tngibson/Histories/john_w_mccartney.html

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Dorothy Stackhouse, Bessie T. Benson and William Sacia Farm

Pictures found in a large batch that came with a fancy Gold Upright Album in a Stand. Click on the images for a closer view

Labeled Dorothy Stackhouse Jr. and Junior and her nurse Alberta

Last one has the name Dorothy but dont know if this is the same one, Says Dorothy at seventeen.

These 4 all have the same style writing on the back.

I will transcribe them the best I can.

Top Left Photo  – This is 406 Lake St. I am on my little porch. Have dawn an ? on side of my front door you see here are his front steps. We did mine me and Lewis, we are on a corner, am I not lucky to get a deep lot like this for 15 a month? I think I am”

Bottom Right Photo – This is Uncle William Sacia’s farm, about a mile from grandfathers on same road. I am sorry it doesnt have more of the shade trees. There must be a dozen of the most beautiful trees I ever saw. Uncle William planted them all the house set back 100 ft from street. Its a lovely farm, its where I spent about a summer when 15 yrs old.

Top Right Photo – I look just like a Salvation Army Teacher and Edith says she “Looks as if she had a whiff of something offensive” but its ……? we wanted you to see”.

Bottom Right Photo – This is Grandfathers farm houses, where your father and mother were married about seventy years ago. It is just as grandfather built it. The first house has a log house, after a few years he built a small frame house and before our mother was married, grandfather built his one which in those days was considered a fine home.

So the only clues we have are Uncle William Sacia on the back. I googled the name and did find some similar names, have no idea if they are related but maybe someone doing net searching will come across this blog to see if they link up in anyways, found the following.

Town of Concord, Wisconsin. William Sacia one of the first town officials claimed to be the first pioneer settler in the Town of Concord. His old farmstead is located on Hwy. E adjacent to the Oconomowoc River.

From

http://www.concordwisconsin.org/node/70/

Writing on backside reads

Bessie T. Benson and B.T. giving the crowd the “Once over” Seattle, Wa 1927

Mrs. B.T. Benson. Miss Hensly, ? and Mr Gunther and his car, he comes and takes us for a ride sometimes.

Same crowd with Mrs Bronson on the Right.

There is a Bessie T. Benson listed in the 1930 census in Seattle, Wa. She is listed as a widow, age 63. Born around 1867 in Wisconsin.

New found info possibly linking these two last names together

Betsy’s parents are George Taylor B. England & Eliza Herron .
Eliza’s parents are David Herron & Sarah
In 1850 census of their household is living Sabrina Sacia…b 1776 NY

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